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  • 06-26-2010, 08:02 PM #1

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    Always Add Proviron Into Your Cycle

    Always Add Proviron Into Your Cycle
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    Proviron is an interesting and often overlooked bodybuilding drug. It’s an orally active form of DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) and as such, a proviron cycle delivers all the good and all the bad that DHT has to offer the bodybuilder.
    As for the good, DHT from a Proviron cycle is a pure androgen, but unlike testosterone, DHT doesn’t cause any water retention. DHT is what makes muscle “hard.” And it lowers SHBG (Sex hormone Binding Globulin) which prevents estrogen from forming. By preventing estrogen from forming, DHT can be used to prevent the aromatization of other steroids. This means that DHT from a proviron cycle can keep steroids in the testosterone family from converting to estrogen and causing in men estrogen related side effects like gynecomastia. DHT also contributes to erectile rigidity. All good stuff! There are drawbacks however, most notably prostate hypertrophy and hair loss. So one may say DHT is pure maleness.
    n the past, DHT was regarded as the “bad” form of testosterone and there have been many products available to reduce it. For example, Proscar slows hair loss by reducing DHT, but it also lowers the desirable aspect, mentioned above, that DHT brings. One of the side effects of Proscar is possible impotence, so pick your poison.
    So, we know DHT can be tricky and we know we need it. But, where does Proviron fall into the equation? Well, proviron can be a nice addition to any cycle for a variety of reasons. Since it lowers SHBG it allows for more total testosterone to become bioavailable. Up to 90% of testosterone, be it natural or administered, remains in a “bound” state (due to SHBG) rendering it useless for building muscle. Proviron releases more active testosterone into the bloodstream so you can get more of its benefits.
    Proviron also works well as an anti estrogen, in fact, it’s superior to most traditional anti e’s such as Nolvadex because there is no rebound effect. Instead of removing estrogen, proviron prevents the formation of estrogen in the first place.
    Proviron is excellent for contest preparation because it adds density and definition. You see, androgen receptors are found in your fat cells as well as muscle cells and DHT binds so well that there’s a distinct fat burning effect from its use.
    Many people use Proviron in between cycles to maintain muscle gains and libido. However, DHT will not do much in regard to maintaining muscle. And as with any drug, a tolerance is developed over time so using Proviron to help a lagging libido will just add to further suppression once the use of the drug has ceased.
    The main downside of Proviron is that since it contains no anabolic properties, it will not result in much muscle growth if used alone. It truly is a “kicker” to other steroids, most notably testosterone. And although it doesn’t cause water retention, it can increase blood pressure. DHT can also increase irritability if duration exceeds more than a few weeks.
    There have recently been advances in natural alternatives to Proviron. Avenacosides have been shown to lower SHBG and to raise free testosterone by as much as 20%. Since Proviron is used mostly as an ancillary substance and does not have much of an effect of actual growth, more and more people are opting to go the natural route. Although Avenacosides won’t work quite as well, they are effective and can be used in conjunction with a lower dose of Proviron for an even more powerful muscle hardening/libido enhancing effect.
    Dosage: avg 50-75mg per day

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  • 06-26-2010, 09:34 PM #2

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    good read

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  • 06-26-2010, 11:40 PM #3

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    You know its funny how much speculation there is over this drug regarding its effects. In June's MD there is a profile on it and basically says their is no evedence that the drug allows for more free test or enhances the effects or efficacy of other drugs. Also, it even questions the anti-E claims. Did anyone catch this? Its the "anabolic profile" section and its written by Seth someting...I think Seth Roberts?

     

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  • 08-12-2011, 01:23 AM #4

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    First hand experience... Proviron is the SHIT!! I'm never getting off. My face looks good. I'm strong and big and hard as nails on half of what I normally use. I won't ever stop taking this shit.

     

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  • 08-12-2011, 08:06 AM #5

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    How much big of a difference does it make with strength gains & weight gains I know it doesn't have any anabolic properties but Its synergistic with test

     

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  • 08-12-2011, 10:10 AM #6

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    A question that i have is how much and how would you run it if you dont have that much personal exp with AAS. Meaning a person with only 2 PH's cycles then went to AAS and has only done 2 of those and those were real light.

     

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  • 08-12-2011, 11:50 AM #7

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by The Dude View Post

    First hand experience... Proviron is the SHIT!! I'm never getting off. My face looks good. I'm strong and big and hard as nails on half of what I normally use. I won't ever stop taking this shit.

    that's interesting that you say that because I didn't get anything out of it, the pro was from a good source so maybe my body doesn't like it for some reason???

     

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by warlord View Post

    How much big of a difference does it make with strength gains & weight gains I know it doesn't have any anabolic properties but Its synergistic with test

    It raises free test levels significantly since it binds to SHBG. You have total test and free test. Free test is what causes growth and all the benefits, the rest is bound up by SHBG and does nothing but convert to estrogen etc. With Proviron you can use a much lower dose and have all the benefits of a higher dose and a strong anti e.

     

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  • 08-12-2011, 11:56 AM #9

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by dorian123 View Post

    that's interesting that you say that because I didn't get anything out of it, the pro was from a good source so maybe my body doesn't like it for some reason???

    That's weird man. My first week all I did was add that in and my strength and sex drive increased dramatically. It was also very sudden... like if you were to run 100mg a day of Prop and then one day jump to 300mg a day. After a couple weeks I noticed my muscle were much more dense and separated. I haven't stopped and I'm can still see the difference. Very noticeable effects whether you're offseason or precontest.

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  • 08-12-2011, 12:09 PM #10

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    certain things my body doesn't take to, tried winny a few times and got nothing but flu like symptoms out of it
    nothing but veins from EQ
    as I've gotten older though my body chemisty has changed so what might have not worked years ago might work now...I might try it again in the fall season

     

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  • 08-12-2011, 01:49 PM #11

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by dorian123 View Post

    certain things my body doesn't take to, tried winny a few times and got nothing but flu like symptoms out of it
    nothing but veins from EQ
    as I've gotten older though my body chemisty has changed so what might have not worked years ago might work now...I might try it again in the fall season

    It's crazy how your body will change over the years isn't it?

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by big n wv View Post

    It's crazy how your body will change over the years isn't it?

    yeah I've actually had it change damn near overnight with high concentration test...I was using a test blend 400 for my last fall cycle and then all of the sudden my body rejected it...the site area would get red and hot to the touch and I would get flu like symptoms
    I dropped back to test 250 and no problems

     

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by The Dude View Post

    That's weird man. My first week all I did was add that in and my strength and sex drive increased dramatically. It was also very sudden... like if you were to run 100mg a day of Prop and then one day jump to 300mg a day. After a couple weeks I noticed my muscle were much more dense and separated. I haven't stopped and I'm can still see the difference. Very noticeable effects whether you're offseason or precontest.

    yeah, I love proviron and your right. really notice effects right away...great stuff offseason or precontest. when your lean you really see how dense and hard your muscles get. offseason run just 25-50mg's per day. Precontest the last few weeks run up to 100mg per day...
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  • 08-12-2011, 10:02 PM #14

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    Would you guys recommend only using this to combat gyno symptoms on cycle instead of a adex or letro? I'm thinking about running 100mg a day but I was wondering am I going to still need a AI I'm going to run a heavy test cycle

     

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  • 08-12-2011, 10:40 PM #15

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    If it were me I would keep the anti-E on hand just in case, try the pro.
    if you are getting bad sides then throw the anti-E in...

     

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  • 08-13-2011, 11:36 AM #16

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    I have to admit i never used proviron in my life. I do however know a guy who swares by it and he is a fucking freak of nature

     

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  • 08-13-2011, 11:47 AM #17

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    yea my buddy takes it with masteron tren and prop and looks crazy as hell. he also said that combo keeps you real horny too

     

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  • 07-10-2013, 01:40 PM #18

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by The Dude View Post

    It raises free test levels significantly since it binds to SHBG. You have total test and free test. Free test is what causes growth and all the benefits, the rest is bound up by SHBG and does nothing but convert to estrogen etc. With Proviron you can use a much lower dose and have all the benefits of a higher dose and a strong anti e.

    THis is what i have been trying to figure out... do you or anyone else have any info on how much you can reduce your test dosing when you add provirion? Im trying to figure that out since it increases free test it follows logically that you could reduce your exogenous test as well.

     

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  • 07-10-2013, 04:42 PM #19

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    Great read bro!! I second this all the way! There's a lot of people that havent used proviron, therefore aren't fully aware of all it's benefits. I love the stuff, and use it year round!

    QuoteOriginally Posted by Chris250 View Post

    Always Add Proviron Into Your Cycle
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Proviron is an interesting and often overlooked bodybuilding drug. It’s an orally active form of DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) and as such, a proviron cycle delivers all the good and all the bad that DHT has to offer the bodybuilder.
    As for the good, DHT from a Proviron cycle is a pure androgen, but unlike testosterone, DHT doesn’t cause any water retention. DHT is what makes muscle “hard.” And it lowers SHBG (Sex hormone Binding Globulin) which prevents estrogen from forming. By preventing estrogen from forming, DHT can be used to prevent the aromatization of other steroids. This means that DHT from a proviron cycle can keep steroids in the testosterone family from converting to estrogen and causing in men estrogen related side effects like gynecomastia. DHT also contributes to erectile rigidity. All good stuff! There are drawbacks however, most notably prostate hypertrophy and hair loss. So one may say DHT is pure maleness.
    n the past, DHT was regarded as the “bad” form of testosterone and there have been many products available to reduce it. For example, Proscar slows hair loss by reducing DHT, but it also lowers the desirable aspect, mentioned above, that DHT brings. One of the side effects of Proscar is possible impotence, so pick your poison.
    So, we know DHT can be tricky and we know we need it. But, where does Proviron fall into the equation? Well, proviron can be a nice addition to any cycle for a variety of reasons. Since it lowers SHBG it allows for more total testosterone to become bioavailable. Up to 90% of testosterone, be it natural or administered, remains in a “bound” state (due to SHBG) rendering it useless for building muscle. Proviron releases more active testosterone into the bloodstream so you can get more of its benefits.
    Proviron also works well as an anti estrogen, in fact, it’s superior to most traditional anti e’s such as Nolvadex because there is no rebound effect. Instead of removing estrogen, proviron prevents the formation of estrogen in the first place.
    Proviron is excellent for contest preparation because it adds density and definition. You see, androgen receptors are found in your fat cells as well as muscle cells and DHT binds so well that there’s a distinct fat burning effect from its use.
    Many people use Proviron in between cycles to maintain muscle gains and libido. However, DHT will not do much in regard to maintaining muscle. And as with any drug, a tolerance is developed over time so using Proviron to help a lagging libido will just add to further suppression once the use of the drug has ceased.
    The main downside of Proviron is that since it contains no anabolic properties, it will not result in much muscle growth if used alone. It truly is a “kicker” to other steroids, most notably testosterone. And although it doesn’t cause water retention, it can increase blood pressure. DHT can also increase irritability if duration exceeds more than a few weeks.
    There have recently been advances in natural alternatives to Proviron. Avenacosides have been shown to lower SHBG and to raise free testosterone by as much as 20%. Since Proviron is used mostly as an ancillary substance and does not have much of an effect of actual growth, more and more people are opting to go the natural route. Although Avenacosides won’t work quite as well, they are effective and can be used in conjunction with a lower dose of Proviron for an even more powerful muscle hardening/libido enhancing effect.
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  • 11-05-2014, 07:20 PM #20

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by overburdened View Post

    Great read bro!! I second this all the way! There's a lot of people that havent used proviron, therefore aren't fully aware of all it's benefits. I love the stuff, and use it year round!

    i am one of those people who never used proviron!!! Also just found this thread on google and thought it was a solid read!
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  • 11-05-2014, 07:32 PM #21

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    tried it again on the last cycle and nothing

     

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  • 11-05-2014, 07:34 PM #22

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by dorian123 View Post

    tried it again on the last cycle and nothing

    thats why i never tried it lol, i never thought to much of it from reading up on it, but i have heard guys rave about it, even a guy i know personally who is a freak, so who knows lol
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  • 11-05-2014, 09:21 PM #23

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Presser View Post

    thats why i never tried it lol, i never thought to much of it from reading up on it, but i have heard guys rave about it, even a guy i know personally who is a freak, so who knows lol

    I have used it all along my last cycle and loved it. But I strongly believe that you will "notice" the difference IF you are lean bulking or cutting down.
    See, the most noticeable effects from it are hard, dry look with faster fat loss, thin skin which means better muscularity, better vascularity and depending on what else you are taking muscle fullness and separation.
    And of course libido off the roof.
    But if you were to purely bulk, the water and fat gains from the AAS will mask majority of the above effects which are pronounced on a leaner physique.
    It's like running tren ace, with Dbol, test Enanthate and Deca. It will be a lot harder to get the dry, dense, hard look that tren ace is known for because of the other drugs. Now if you are 10-12% bf and run tren ace with test P, Masteron or equi and winni then that would make a world of difference.
    So I think it's all about synergy but Proviron is the shit in the right stack.
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  • 11-05-2014, 11:26 PM #24

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    I know a pro that SWEARS by it...but I have never noticed much from it

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  • 11-05-2014, 11:57 PM #25

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    If I am below 12%, it seems to work much better. The lower your body fat the better Proviron and Masteron work

     

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  • 11-06-2014, 05:20 AM #26

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    makes sense!

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  • 11-06-2014, 07:07 AM #27

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Austin311 View Post

    If I am below 12%, it seems to work much better. The lower your body fat the better Proviron and Masteron work

    You'r right!
    But for other it's good for testicles and libido!

     

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  • 11-06-2014, 08:14 AM #28

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    I think I'm going to drop this in the next go round. I plan or going full tilt.

     

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  • 11-07-2014, 06:25 AM #29

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by echo419 View Post

    I think I'm going to drop this in the next go round. I plan or going full tilt.

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Presser View Post

    I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR HOW YOU LIKED IT WITH A SMALL REVIEW ON YOUR USE BRUTHA

    of course. am I understanding this correctly that this might be good to use sorta post cycle. I think I'm going to stick with the cruise-blast method. right now I'm just doing 100mg cyp once a week. I'll make a thread about my plans when the time comes. more than likely right after the first of the year.

     

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  • 11-08-2014, 01:38 PM #31

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    Yes your correct brutha

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  • 04-04-2016, 10:28 AM #32

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    proviron cycle information for newbies.

     

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  • 05-07-2016, 10:15 PM #33

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    Bump for proviron information

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  • 05-08-2016, 03:03 AM #34

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    You can add it to your pct too.

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  • 05-08-2016, 08:47 AM #35

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    I stay on it year round helps my mood and well being

     

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  • 05-08-2016, 09:03 AM #36

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Mountain_Man View Post

    I stay on it year round helps my mood and well being

    I have never used it but I'm gonna give it a run now

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  • 05-08-2016, 09:07 AM #37

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    poor dude

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  • 05-08-2016, 09:10 AM #38

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Metal85 View Post

    poor dude

    You like it? I should get some?

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  • 05-08-2016, 09:17 AM #39

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Iron-game View Post

    You like it? I should get some?

    Proviron yes. I was commenting on the poster of this thread though.

     

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  • 05-09-2016, 08:51 AM #40

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    yes RIP, I should Put that under his user name, or somehting so people remember him and that he passed away sadly, cause he had a lot of great posted information here that we still use .

     

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  • 05-09-2016, 09:46 AM #41

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    I'm on it now. Got a ton from psl and so far I think I'm liking it. Did notice the irritable factor slightly increase, as well as libido.
    In there it says your will build up a tolerance. Any input on this?
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  • 05-10-2016, 05:34 PM #42

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    input on building a tolerance to the proviron?

     

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  • 05-10-2016, 05:37 PM #43

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Presser View Post

    input on building a tolerance to the proviron?

    Yes. If taking proviron long term, does it lose its effectiveness? Do you have to gradually up the dose?
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  • 05-10-2016, 10:08 PM #44

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    Ive gone 9months at a time on it. 50 a day, jusy as effective on the last tren blast as it was on the first one in that sequence
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Revenant View Post

    Ive gone 9months at a time on it. 50 a day, jusy as effective on the last tren blast as it was on the first one in that sequence
    sent from a remote bunker while banging a Terminator Model T-X

    No tolerance to proviron then i would assume lol, how was it with trenbolone i wonder. Im assuming it was tren acetate
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    Good to know. I've got about enough for another few months.
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    QuoteOriginally Posted by Charliebrawn View Post

    I have used it all along my last cycle and loved it. But I strongly believe that you will "notice" the difference IF you are lean bulking or cutting down.
    See, the most noticeable effects from it are hard, dry look with faster fat loss, thin skin which means better muscularity, better vascularity and depending on what else you are taking muscle fullness and separation.
    And of course libido off the roof.
    But if you were to purely bulk, the water and fat gains from the AAS will mask majority of the above effects which are pronounced on a leaner physique.
    It's like running tren ace, with Dbol, test Enanthate and Deca. It will be a lot harder to get the dry, dense, hard look that tren ace is known for because of the other drugs. Now if you are 10-12% bf and run tren ace with test P, Masteron or equi and winni then that would make a world of difference.
    So I think it's all about synergy but Proviron is the shit in the right stack.
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    I'm. Thinking of using Test Cyp for 10weeks first 4 weeks adding D bol and I was told to run proviron with this cycle to prevent side effects is this necessary?

     

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    QuoteOriginally Posted by JuanPablo1111 View Post

    HI There,
    I'm. Thinking of using Test Cyp for 10weeks first 4 weeks adding D bol and I was told to run proviron with this cycle to prevent side effects is this necessary?

    No you don't need proviron but yes to AI like arimidex to keep on hand just in case you get puffy nipples

     


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    QuoteOriginally Posted by JuanPablo1111 View Post

    HI There,
    I'm. Thinking of using Test Cyp for 10weeks first 4 weeks adding D bol and I was told to run proviron with this cycle to prevent side effects is this necessary?

    Welcome to MuscleChemistry.com. You have a lot more luck on topics when you start a new thread instead of commenting in an thread. IMO 10 weeks isn't long enough to run Test Cyp I wouldn't rum it for less than 14 weeks. As a kick started dbol would be good for the first 4 weeks. As far as adding proviron I like it during my cycle. As far as you asking about preventing side effects. Estrogen Control? I would start with Aromasin 12.5 mg ED weeks 3-17. Maybe I am putting the cart before the horse a little. It would be best if you started a new thread. Give us an idea what your cycle and training history is. As well as your goals, and age. We will help you map out something for you.

     

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